And in answer to your question, I was going to write a rant about self-help gurus, jihadism, American football as a religion, people who are driven to suicide by an ethnocentric fantasy film, and the Hell Houses of big-budget churches. But the truth is it's no better in the past or on other worlds, primal or otherwise. Whatever it is that's wrong, it has little to do with time period.
Somebody needs to do a 'hell house' where hell is populated by evil-hearted fundamentalists who spent their lifetimes being openly cruel, and signing God's name to it!
The lowest level, would be for televangelists....
.....but maybe we shouldn't talk about that. I'm getting too much of a kick out of the idea right now....
We'd like to see it start out as maybe a youtube thing, and then grow into a real haunted-house deal on Halloween.
But we wouldn't want it to scare kids. We'd want it to scare Christians who are assholes.
(BTW, congratulations on not having been exposed to televangelists. You certainly haven't missed anything to be desired there, in my opinion.)
So, did your parents feel that TV wasn't good for kids, was that the reason you (yes, very fortunately) grew up somewhere besides in front of a TV screen - ? (I ask as I sit in front of a computer screen. Thank you, Lige, for pointing out the irony.)
We recently met a two year old grand daughter of a friend, who was using a Blackberry. The child can't quite pronounce her own name yet, but she's using a Blackberry. We're actually quite concerned now about when we get grandchildren....do we need to make sure they have access to a Blackberry, or make sure they have access to a distraction *from* the damn thing....? (Their mothers will probably not be stay-at-home moms, so we're kind of hoping to be the stay-at-home gramma.) Any thoughts about this - ?
Wouldn't it be awesome if multis and other people who maybe have intricate inner worlds, had access to that technology ? Then we could show our worlds to each other if we wanted to, or maybe even visit each other's worlds in a tangible way.
It's funny they were calling that world in Avatar intangible. For us, and some other multis that we know, our inner worlds are very tangible to us....unless I misunderstand the meaning of the word. I mean, we see our inner world, we hear it, and if we shut out external distractions we can smell it, touch it, and we've even tasted the coffee and beer that we've had around the campfire inside.
I think more people could actually benefit from having an inside world and then taking small steps to manifest it in the outside world....but, that's just me. I mean, an inner world is a great way to find out either what you truly desire....or what is truly bothering you....
Wouldn't it be awesome if multis and other people who maybe have intricate inner worlds, had access to that technology ?
:D We're getting there... I'm interested in virtual reality research for that exact reason. They've got basic haptics now, and basic brain-computer interfaces (enough to move a cursor around with your thoughts).
I think more people could actually benefit from having an inside world and then taking small steps to manifest it in the outside world....but, that's just me.
No, I definitely agree. That's one of the things that bugs me, how hostile our society can be to that kind of thing.
I would argue that it has everything to do with time period, or more specifically, our inability to live in our own. For example, our public education system teaches us about literature, rarely if ever uses books written in the students' lifetime, then bemoans a lack of literacy in the new generation.
For example, our public education system teaches us about literature, rarely if ever uses books written in the students' lifetime, then bemoans a lack of literacy in the new generation.
Interesting. You get the same thing in the Christian churches, and the big issue du jour when I was a teenager was how to keep youth involved with the church by making the media relevant. I think that's what they're trying to do with those Hell Houses, but they're not updating the message to match.
But that gets into the whole Avatar thing. The media that's up to date is commercial, and more influenced by what sells than what's right. Meaning it appeals to the lowest common denominator. Do you think it's a function of time period that this society is so flooded with cheapness, or has mass production just made it more apparent?
I would argue that it has everything to do with time, specifically the common inability to live in ones own. I read somewhere, I think second hand via Alan Moore, that Nostalgia is a key seed to Fascism.
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Date: 2010-01-26 04:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-26 07:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-26 06:20 pm (UTC)No answering "both," either. >:/
BTW
There's a theory that comics, by their nature, are the closest thing to primal spiritual art.
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Date: 2010-01-26 06:37 pm (UTC)*adds you to friends list*
Cool. Now we can actually get to know each other.
And in answer to your question, I was going to write a rant about self-help gurus, jihadism, American football as a religion, people who are driven to suicide by an ethnocentric fantasy film, and the Hell Houses of big-budget churches. But the truth is it's no better in the past or on other worlds, primal or otherwise. Whatever it is that's wrong, it has little to do with time period.
Hell house idea! (Lige)
Date: 2010-01-26 11:45 pm (UTC)Somebody needs to do a 'hell house' where hell is populated by evil-hearted fundamentalists who spent their lifetimes being openly cruel, and signing God's name to it!
The lowest level, would be for televangelists....
.....but maybe we shouldn't talk about that. I'm getting too much of a kick out of the idea right now....
Re: Hell house idea! (Lige)
Date: 2010-01-27 06:22 pm (UTC)I can think of a few things worse than televangelists, but then, I haven't watched much of them. I grew up without a TV and count myself lucky. :P
I agree, somebody has to do something with that idea... dunno what it would be though... maybe a comedy story or a youtube video parody or something.
Re: Hell house idea! (Stef)
Date: 2010-01-27 09:32 pm (UTC)But we wouldn't want it to scare kids. We'd want it to scare Christians who are assholes.
(BTW, congratulations on not having been exposed to televangelists. You certainly haven't missed anything to be desired there, in my opinion.)
So, did your parents feel that TV wasn't good for kids, was that the reason you (yes, very fortunately) grew up somewhere besides in front of a TV screen - ?
(I ask as I sit in front of a computer screen. Thank you, Lige, for pointing out the irony.)
We recently met a two year old grand daughter of a friend, who was using a Blackberry. The child can't quite pronounce her own name yet, but she's using a Blackberry.
We're actually quite concerned now about when we get grandchildren....do we need to make sure they have access to a Blackberry, or make sure they have access to a distraction *from* the damn thing....?
(Their mothers will probably not be stay-at-home moms, so we're kind of hoping to be the stay-at-home gramma.)
Any thoughts about this - ?
'Avatar blues' (Lige) (Yeah, it's me again...)
Date: 2010-01-26 11:57 pm (UTC)It's funny they were calling that world in Avatar intangible. For us, and some other multis that we know, our inner worlds are very tangible to us....unless I misunderstand the meaning of the word. I mean, we see our inner world, we hear it, and if we shut out external distractions we can smell it, touch it, and we've even tasted the coffee and beer that we've had around the campfire inside.
I think more people could actually benefit from having an inside world and then taking small steps to manifest it in the outside world....but, that's just me.
I mean, an inner world is a great way to find out either what you truly desire....or what is truly bothering you....
Re: 'Avatar blues' (Lige) (Yeah, it's me again...)
Date: 2010-01-27 06:26 pm (UTC):D We're getting there... I'm interested in virtual reality research for that exact reason. They've got basic haptics now, and basic brain-computer interfaces (enough to move a cursor around with your thoughts).
I think more people could actually benefit from having an inside world and then taking small steps to manifest it in the outside world....but, that's just me.
No, I definitely agree. That's one of the things that bugs me, how hostile our society can be to that kind of thing.
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Date: 2010-01-27 04:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 06:36 pm (UTC)Interesting. You get the same thing in the Christian churches, and the big issue du jour when I was a teenager was how to keep youth involved with the church by making the media relevant. I think that's what they're trying to do with those Hell Houses, but they're not updating the message to match.
But that gets into the whole Avatar thing. The media that's up to date is commercial, and more influenced by what sells than what's right. Meaning it appeals to the lowest common denominator. Do you think it's a function of time period that this society is so flooded with cheapness, or has mass production just made it more apparent?
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Date: 2010-01-27 04:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 06:40 pm (UTC)That is fascinating. I see how it might be true... this requires more thought.
Cartoon (Lige)
Date: 2010-01-26 11:40 pm (UTC)no subject
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